Boston Marathon Bombing Debate Jim Fetzer vs. A. J. MacDonald, Jr.

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Boston Marathon Bombing Debate Jim Fetzer vs. A. J. MacDonald, Jr.

“On Thursday, April 24, 2014, at 3 p.m. ET, Dave Gahary moderates a two-hour debate* between James H. Fetzer and A. J. MacDonald, Jr. on the Boston Marathon Bombing.

“Was it real or staged?

NO ONE Died in the Boston Bombing—Nor was ANYONE Even Hurt

By Lorraine Day, M.D.

James H. Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at U of M Duluth, and an authority on the JFK assassination, 9/11, and Senator Wellstone’s death.

“Scholars for 9/11 Truth founder, his latest books include The Evolution of Intelligence(2005), The 9/11 Conspiracy (2007), and The Place of Probability in Science (2010).

“Jim is a contributor and editor at Veterans Today and hosts a radio show, “The Real Deal”, M/W/F

A. J. MacDonald, Jr. (54) is a thinker, writer, author, blogger, and social/political activist. A.J.’s a former soldier, warehouse worker/manager, delivery driver, construction laborer, and professional tractor-trailer driver (25+ years off-and-on) and has authored five books since 2009 and been a full time writer and researcher since 2011. A.J. currently lives in Pennsylvania.

*The debate will follow this format:

“Each participant will be asked to give an opening statement to summarize their position.

“The moderator will ask questions to each participant where they will have no more than five minutes to present their argument and evidence. If less than the allotted time is used, it will be set aside for a less structured discussion towards the end. At the end of the debate, each participant will have no more than five minutes for their closing statement. Personal or unnecessary attacks as well as extended interruptions will be met with the mute button.

“If sufficient time remains, calls will be taken.”

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36 Responses to Boston Marathon Bombing Debate Jim Fetzer vs. A. J. MacDonald, Jr.

  1. apollonian says:

    AJ Had Fun Wasting Everyone’s Time

    AJ: I listened to the debate, such as it was, and Fetzer just walked all over u, as u essentially had no argument except to go along w. ZOG and say, gee whiz, but it’s most reasonable (which it isn’t) to just go-along w. ZOG’s lies, this also being consistent w. Occam’s razor.

    I also had the distinct impression u are just pulling everyone’s leg by going along w. ZOG’s lies in ur namby-pamby, blithe manner.

    U just ignore facts–like the announcement before the race there’d be a drill–and u ignore all the evidence as to ZOG’s lies about the Tsarnaev bro.s, including the murders of one of the bro.s and his buddy.

    U said there was lots of video and photo evidence–which is just a lie–there’s lots of vid and photos, yes, but none of it that can be called “evidence” which supports ZOG. Then u absurdly quibbled about the force of the so-called explosion.

    U, AJ, weren’t able to make even a SINGLE pt. that was of any substance, Fetzer just smashing u into the dirt, and Fetzer made numerous pt.s to which u said essentially nothing. If I were u, I’d be embarrassed, but I think u were just there to pulling people’s leg, probably trying to get Fetzer angry or something. Yech.

  2. You’re either a liar or really stupid. Which is it? LOL :P

    • apollonian says:

      Ho ho ho–that’s false choice. And u have no argument or any pt.s to be made–just go along w. ZOG’s lies–against all evidence.

  3. badbeta says:

    I hope you are not under the impression that you held your end in that very one-sided debate. You brought nothing to the table and it’s more than obvious that you sought out this debate to build your own profile…bad move.

    • Your assumptions are showing. Build my own profile? Why would you think that? You’re mistaken and you should be more hesitant when it comes to judging people’s motives. I only wanted to present my side of the issue. I do think Professor Fetzer lost the debate. For example, listen after 1:45 where he avoids the most important question (how was the stage set so quickly, in such detail, in such a short amount of time?) and then changes the subject. The answer to this question is that it was not possible for crisis actors to have done this. The bombing was real.

      • apollonian says:

        “Ur side of issue”?–that’s ZOG’s side, isn’t it? And u ignore fact drill was announced before the event, that Tsarnaev bro.s obviously just patsies, Tamerlane having been murdered by ZOG along, later, w. his friend, the other Chechen guy, all the witnesses intimidated, threatened, and deported.

        Word is these Chechens had info on the up-coming Ukrainian putsch run by ZOG, so ZOG had to take them out–along w. the FBI guys they also murdered a few days after the Chechen guy.

        How was stage set so quickly?–easily: they (Crisis actors, et al.) were all trained, rehearsed, nearby and in position while the Craft security people kept folks OUT of the staging area. Then just before the bombing they got word to vacate while the crisis actors got ready to run and move in–obviously–see http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/24/boston-bombing-dhs-contracted-security-out-to-israelis/

        Tell us true, AJ, u’re just playing stupid and pulling everyone’s leg sticking-up for ZOG’s story, eh–could anyone really be as dumb as u?

      • apollonian says:

        Here’s story on the FBI agents who were killed, who killed Todashev: http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/05/27/305627/death-of-fbi-agents-creates-controversy/

  4. Hollywood producer claims Boston bombing was a Hollywood-style production

    “From what I understand, they… it looks to me like they used a second street in order to re-enact the scene, over and over, to get it right and by using Green Screen they were able to show the buildings that were actually on Boylston Street and when you use a Green Screen it is a lot like Titanic. In the movie Titanic in 1997 we are watching the film and we are watching this boat sink and we are watching the water fill into the boat and we see people falling off the boat. That is obviously not happening in real life, we are watching it on Green Screen. They are putting a digital layer behind the screen of real action people. And we are watching a boat sink in the background and that is what they did in this example.

    “They just did it on television. We are watching green screen on television to re-enact a street scene that happened for real, but just a smoke bomb but when they re-enacted the people that were hurt they had to add the blood and the amputees and to put one the makeup…”

    Read more: Hollywood producer claims Boston bombing was a “false flag attack” http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_25/The-Boston-bombing-was-a-false-flag-attack-Nathan-Folks-7658/

    • apollonian says:

      What in heck are u doing here, AJ?–arguing against ur own thesis?–pretty brilliant, muddying the waters, eh? U’re a puzzle in a riddle, wrapped in an enigma, eh?

      • Just posting some of the foolishness that is the “crisis actor hoax meme” psyops of the disinfo agents. It’s amazing how easily people fell for this after Sandy Hook. The CIA really understands mass psychology. LOL :)

      • apollonian says:

        WTF?–the story u posted doesn’t support ur assertion–if the Bost. event was hoax, they’d HAVE to have used crisis-actors, esp. ones who had criminal records, or money-troubles, like at Sandy Hoax–and what do u know about CIA mass psy-ops?–little bit of question-begging there, as usual for u. U still have nothing to say about the Tsarnaev bros. or the other Chechen guy, Todashev–u make no sense.

  5. Ed Chiarini (a.k.a. DallasGoldBug): The Marathon Mayhem HOAX – http://wellaware1.com/boston.shtml

  6. “I could find no logical reason for the inclusion of ‘actors’ and many reasons why they should not be used. In addition, I found the alleged evidence for ‘actors’ at Boston sorely lacking in that it relied on conjecture, supposition and a good measure of imagination, all to make the evidence fit what appears to be a pre-established theory. Basically, all of the ‘actors’ theorists seem to have used an “ink blot test” approach to their analysis of the photographic evidence from the Boston bombings…”

    Read more: Ink Blot Tests and ‘actors” at the Boston bombings – http://joequinn.net/2013/06/05/ink-blot-tests-and-actors-at-the-boston-bombings/

  7. “Until the Sandy Hook shooting, the idea of actors playing pretend roles in real tragedies had been confined mostly to the fringes of the 9/11 “no plane” movement [e.g., professor James Fetzer]. Then came a December 24th blog post from Florida Atlantic University professor James Tracy, entitled “The Sandy Hook Massacre: Unanswered Questions and Missing Information.” The long, highly speculative, rant-ish post alludes that the shooting may not have taken place, and instead was a drill that “went live.” He then attempts to prove it through a plethora of circumstantial evidence, errors in early reporting, uneducated guesses and unsatisfactory “performances” by various officials when answering questions from reporters….”

    “When pictures and video of the Boston Marathon bombing made their way online, so too did the crisis actor accusations. And because there was far more visual evidence, including nauseating pictures of victims just moments after they’d had their limbs blown off, the cries of fakery were much louder. It takes both a special kind of paranoia and a complete lack of shame to call a bombing victim a paid government shill for somehow not looking enough like a bombing victim. But just hours after the bombing, the requisite message board posts, blog rants and YouTube videos appeared. Most are incoherent, full of ludicrous accusations and backed up by circles and lines drawn around seemingly random objects and people. The majority of it is either completely unprovable or just made up, and as such, isn’t worth examining in detail. What would be the point?”

    Read more: Crisis Actor? What Crisis Actor? – https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/05/13/crisis-actor-what-crisis-actor/

    • apollonian says:

      All this crap, quantity pretending to substitute for quality, is just more question-begging fm u, AJ–u can’t get it through ur thick skull u have to PROVE anyone was injured–there is no proof–and all (real) evidence indicates no one was injured–why do the hospitals REFUSE to give info?

      So if there wasn’t anyone really injured, then, by elimination and necessity, the supposed “victims” could only have been actors, whether “crisis” or not.

      “[L]ong, highly speculative, rantish…,” is just lies and assertion, and Tracy’s argument was actually quite good, substantial, inductive argument which ZOG has not been able to gain-say, except by its usual methods.

      AJ imagines he’ll just continue to bull-headedly argue for ZOG lies, and I’m not sure if ZOG really appreciates this sustained effort by u AJ, u’re such miserable advocate, using such pathetically miserable technique. Fetzer beat u black and blue, then stomped u into the dirt, and u’re still shaking the cob-webs out of ur empty skull, ho ho ho ho ho

  8. BWI Holds Disaster Simulation

    “To feel real, it has to look real. Life-threatening injuries were simulated in a mock plane wreck at BWI Thurgood Marshall Airport. It’s not the real thing, but what first responders and airport workers learn from the large-scale drill saves lives.

    “We don’t want what happened in Los Angeles where everybody was in charge and nobody was in charge,” said Maryland Transportation Secretary Jim Smith. “So, I mean, this is going to be really an exercise in real life.”

    “To pull it off, organizers found volunteers–at least 100 of them.

    “They asked me if I was doing anything this weekend and I had nothing planned. I said, `Sure, I’ll get out of the house.’ Why not? Sounded like fun,” said volunteer Jacob Kvasnik.

    “They also hired Hollywood makeup artists.

    Read more: BWI Holds Disaster Simulation « CBS Baltimore http://cbsloc.al/1jsM23S

    • apollonian says:

      AJ: EVERYONE is “pushing” the Crisis actor meme–who isn’t ZOG liar.

      Incidentally, I read ur book, “World Perceived,” and even wrote-up a review for u–left it on ur BlogSpot blog

      • badbeta says:

        Well hopefully the book was better thought out then Mr. MacDonald’s defense of the official story on the Boston Marathon Bombing Hoax. Personally I would like to see AJ head over to Fetzer’s site and make a reply or two for some of his critics.

        http://radiofetzer.blogspot.ca/2014/05/jim-fetzer-j-mcdonald-jr.html#comment-form

        You owe us AJ; you lost the debate hands down and wasted our time….now get back into the battle and show us you were just having an off day.

      • apollonian says:

        Badbeta: if u read his book, u’d see AJ wasn’t having a “bad day.” Ck his site, TheWorldPerceived.blogspot.com. What AJ thinks he’s accomplishing, only God knows.

  9. I will check out the link. That I lost is the opinion of those who have fallen for the psyops, or of those who are lying. Boston was a real event, and there is no evidence it wasn’t. You need to read this article, and you need to stop being so gullible: Media-based epistemology, faith, and skepticism – http://wp.me/pPnn7-2ej

    • apollonian says:

      Someone is gullible, for sure. And there are objective criteria for saying who “lost” the debate. After all, what are the facts? Why is it Bost. prosecutors are having such difficulty w. Djokar?–are they having trouble w. facts? And there’s excellent proof the Bost. bombing injuries are fake–u just willfully ignore the facts.

      • badbeta says:

        Well, one thing for sure is that AJ, rather than addressing the critics on Fetzer’s site threw up a straw-man instead. Let’s hear your explanation on this AJ, and preferably on Fetzer’s page where more can read your pearls of wisdom and be led to the light so to speak.

        “An eyewitness to the two explosions at the Boston Marathon today said that a “drill” was repeatedly announced before the bombs exploded and that he “thought it was odd” bomb sniffing dogs were in place before the blast.

        University of Mobile’s Cross Country Coach Ali Stevenson told Local 15 News, “They kept making announcements on the loud speaker that it was just a drill and there was nothing to worry about. “It seemed like there was some sort of threat, but they kept telling us it was just a drill.”

        btw,,,fyi I was tossed out of sunday school at the age of 3 for being a disruptive influence and forced to sit beside my mother in the church. My crime was that I stated Jesus didn’t walk on water, something I still maintain to this day 60+ years later.

  10. There’s a difference between a straw man and the truth. You have it backwards. I know there is no reasoning with people who hold to irrational beliefs and those who are lying. If you wish to remain duped so be it. If you’re lying you need to repent. I’m not wasting my time in comment sections of Fetzer’s blog or mine with people who have fallen for such an obvious pysops, or with liars.

    • apollonian says:

      U shouldn’t have wasted any of ur time, ever–shouldn’t have wasted Fetzer’s time, either.

  11. badbeta says:

    Ok AJ, I shall not comment any further. Good luck with the book.

  12. apollonian says:

    DHS Admits Boston Training Drill Involving Backpack Explosives Planned Months Before Marathon

    http://www.storyleak.com/dhs-boston-training-drill-backpack-explosives/

  13. Who “The Crisis Actors” REALLY Are: How Truth Seekers Were Manipulated into Ignoring Genuine “False Flag” Terrorism and Focusing Instead on Irrelevant Lunacy

    The manipulation by the Crisis Management Conspirators of the events at Sandy Hook was, in retrospect, a quite logical response to the phenomenon of 9-11 truthseeking (much of it Internet-based) which, in turn, had its own antecedents in the search for the truth surrounding the Oklahoma City bombing and the JFK assassination so many years before.

    In that sense, we might suggest, there was indeed a secret connection, so to speak, between 9-11 and Sandy Hook—but it’s one that even the most fervent believers in the “big” story of Sandy Hook never realized, precisely because of the fact they had found themselves (most of them, to this day, unknowingly) caught in the web of disinformation being spun by the high-level Crisis Management Conspirators.

    And one of the biggest cons of all perpetrated upon the legitimate truth seekers was the legend of “The Crisis Actors”—mentioned earlier—that came to be an article of faith surrounding Sandy Hook and later again, even more so, following the events at the Boston Marathon.

    And as we’ve already noted (perhaps all too often) in the wake of Sandy Hook many people actually believed that there hadn’t even been any gunplay at all—that no children and no adults were shot that day, that it was all a big staged event, with the purported victims and their families (along with law enforcement) in on the deal.

    This is where the now much-discussed topic of “The Crisis Actors” was brought into play. And, in many respects, it may have been one of the most ingenious scams ever pawned off on American patriots designed to misdirect their attention.

    It was right out of Cass Sunstein’s playbook.

    During the wake of Sandy Hook, people got so distracted talking about the Crisis Actors and the claim that “Lanza was dead the day before the shooting which really didn’t happen and in which no kids were really killed,” that, in many cases, they didn’t do what they should have done: Lobby forcefully against the gun control measures that were being crafted as a consequence of the tragedy at Sandy Hook.

    Many patriots became genuinely convinced that by talking about “The Crisis Actors” that they were winning the day and convincing people of the dangers of gun control when, in fact, they were actually misdirecting good people and, for all intents and purposes, discrediting honest Americans who were opposed to gun control.

    As a result of the widespread distribution of claims that Sandy Hook was a big fraud being perpetrated by “Crisis Actors” many Americans concluded that the opponents of gun control were trouble-makers, wild- eyed conspiracy theorists and just generally to be dismissed.

    That, ultimately, was the aim of the Crisis Management Conspirators. 

    Their introduction of the concept of “CrisisActors” into the debate was part and parcel of the very real conspiracy—first outlined by Cass Sunstein—to discredit conspiracy theories in general.

    And all of this undoubtedly did immense damage to the reputation of many good patriots who opposed gun control and who were led into the trap of focusing on the Crisis Actor legend rather than on the very real and important issue at hand… (“False Flags”, pp 306-307)

    Read more: False Flags: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=14254

  14. Devin Hanson says:

    I just listened to the “debate” and have a few points I wish had been made. First and foremost, “Dr. Day” is mistaken regarding her comments about the color of blood, lack of blood on the pavement or blouse, etc. I suspect this is the result of the VAST difference in appearance of a patient on scene v. in the ER. Working as a surgeon in a hospital does not qualify one to judge the veracity of a trauma scene. They are not the same animal. First, about me: I have 25 years of experience working in EMS in various capacities (EMT, paramedic, PA) and have seen hundreds of accident scenes and am very well acquainted with what “real blood” looks like. I’d like to address Dr. Day’s assertions in order.
    1)No blood on ground. High energy blasts like the one seen in the photos and footage from that day commonly result in a spray of fine blood, bone, and tissue radiating out from ground zero but with little at ground zero. The blood that appears later is the result of bleeding from the surviving victims.
    2)No dead at ground zero. There are two young women pictured as a responder is checking a carotid pulse who appear to be dead. Review of the article states that at least one of them was later confirmed dead. As with many bombs, shrapnel and/or the pressure wave causes injuries remote from “ground zero”. I suspect many of the 200 casualties were minor in nature: eye/ear injuries from blast/shrapnel. This number is not surprising for two explosions in such a densely populated scene.
    3)”REAL BLOOD” IS maroon… in the hospital. This is merely due to the fact that blood doesn’t sit around or get subjected to the same factors in the hospital as it does in the “real world”. Real blood can appear bright red, sticky, and thick. There is no abnormal appearance to the blood as pictured.
    4)Sitting up. The dead were NOT sitting up. Not having been a bombing victim myself, this is conjecture, but I would likely try to sit up and look around. Also, blast waves can cause pulmonary contusions which cause shortness of breath and a natural response is to “tripod”; that is, sit as upright as one can to maximize the efficiency of breathing. Again, this is not a surprising finding.
    5)#4.
    6)I haven’t seen this footage.
    7)A pristine blouse that becomes bloody later is likely the result of bleeding. Which takes time. And is cumulative. The injury either had not had time to bleed or was remote from the blouse (scalp?) and needed time to bleed onto the blouse.
    8)Doesn’t warrant refutation.
    9)Fire and EMS take time to respond. And there are EMS and police evident on scene in pictures taken within a minute of the blast. Likely were stationed at the end (rehab tent). Streets are closed for the race so you won’t find fire engines or ambulances until that can be cleared and the scene is determined to be safe.
    10)Wheelchair ride. This is, by definition, a Mass Casualty Event. In these, the normal rules go out the window and responders become creative. It would appear there was a choice between waiting for a gurney, carrying the victim, or using a wheelchair. The decision made was the correct one. The bleeding appears to be controlled and his pallor suggests significant blood loss and shock. No time to screw around waiting for a “perfect situation”. As for the “injuries and blood spatter” being “so badly done, they are almost comical to a trained trauma surgeon such as myself”, I guess this very well-trained and experienced paramedic who has seen traumatic amputations in the field many many times is more easily fooled than the trauma surgeon who is accustomed to seeing patients after they have received initial stabilizing care. Regarding his reaction on scene, he does appear to be in pain and anyone who thinks they can predict “appropriate” behavior to an injury is either hopelessly naive or watches too many movies. Spending even a few hours in the field will give a better appreciation for the complete unpredictability of the human psychological response to traumatic events. Same goes for 4 or 5 days later in the hospital. People very commonly respond to the subtle pressures of public appearance by putting on a brave face. Not at all unusual. I didn’t see the footage that purports to show placement of a falling prosthesis and thus can’t comment.
    12.Glass blown onto sidewalk. I’m not an expert in explosives and can’t comment other than to speculate that the rebound of the pressure wave reflecting off the inside of the offices might cause the glass to similarly rebound out from the office and onto the sidewalk.
    13.Runner falls. He’s 79 and the pressure wave likely disrupted his balance. News accounts report he suffered an “ear injury” as a result.
    The rest of the claims are largely speculation on the motivation behind the bombings and are not in my realm of expertise so I will end my analysis of the crash scene here.
    In short, my professional opinion is that the explosions and subsequent damage do not suggest any inauthenticity. This certainly does not mean that there isn’t more to the story than the media has reported. An authentic explosion does not remove the possibility of this being an “inside job”. What is certain is that the government has seized again on this tragedy to push their agenda of sacrificing civil liberties in order to increase their reach and power and to stifle dissent.
    One must certainly consider, when learning of alternate explanations for national tragedies, the possibility that one is being fed irrational narratives by disinformation agents so as to impeach the credibility of truth seekers and make them objectionable to the “mainstream public”.

  15. apollonian says:

    Here’s great source for gen. info on Bost. bombing: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOvwGYeRmj-kf7OUyxdgpLw/feed

  16. A spook’s guide to the psychology of deception http://wp.me/ptsTD-7Nw via @mindhacksblog http://fb.me/1uSpsWhRD

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